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		<title>By: meurdrac</title>
		<link>http://www.1984produkts.com/donkeyhottie/2004/02/16/visions-of-presidents-dancing/comment-page-1/#comment-1275</link>
		<dc:creator>meurdrac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I don&#039;t understand how Kerry can be a viewed as a real candidate, when he&#039;s simply &quot;recycled&quot; himself entirely to fit politically as &quot;Bush Lite&quot; and &quot;Dean Lite&quot;.  Here&#039;s a guy who voted 95% of the time for President Bush (some Republicans voted less frequently with the President), yet managed to found his heart and soul through the inspiration of Gov. Dean (I think he was attending Dean rallys back when he&#039;d disappeared from the map in September and October).  Say what you will about Dean, this is a Dean agenda he&#039;s pushing. Love Dean or hate him, he gets credit as the one who &quot;energized the base&quot; and tapped new Democrats to bring them out of the woodwork and into the polls to get involved in the Primary process.  Now that we have Massachusetts Milktoast for a nominee, let&#039;s hope he can manage to get some of that crowd back out this November to support him at the polls (but I don&#039;t see it happening).  



The primarys have proven that Kerry is no Political genius.  He&#039;s proven that people are stupid enough to support someone who can&#039;t demonstrate his beliefs from his voting record, and that he has demonstrated courage on the battlefield but cowardice on the Senate floor.  Now he has the weighty job to try and convince the American public that yet another lying lawyer-politician deserves their confidence to fix a Washington establishment he&#039;s thrived in for nearly 20 years.  Hardly inspiring stuff for a candidacy, but I suppose Democrats weren&#039;t warned, were they?



Here in Michigan, when voters were polled after the caucus, found that when voters were asked which candidate&#039;s positions most resembled their own positions, Dean beat Kerry by 4%.  When Democrats don&#039;t vote their convictions, the party loses by presenting a candidate forward who is without values.  &quot;Anyone but Bush&quot; is no slogan of a vision for America.  Republicans will be out there convicted on their beliefs regarding God, religious involvment in the political process, the hate of taxes and big government, and their hate for two faced politicians who do nothing and reap the benefits of our society.  November is a foregone conclusion because Democrats forgot about the values, and bought in on the &quot;official DLC agenda&quot; (in spite of the great failure their strategy caused Democrats in 2002) of &quot;electability&quot;, and drummed up media hate toward Dean.  Kerry&#039;s success isn&#039;t on issues, or values, or Vietnam era history, but on convincing the media and the public that &quot;electability&quot; is an issue more important than supporting a candidate with results or actual heartfelt convictions.  After 19 years of being nothing more than a Senate windbag, I think he&#039;s got half the chances of Michael Dukakis (who at least DID have results) in 2004 and will end up being painted as Dukakis&#039; &quot;boy&quot; by a giddy Conservative leaning press anxious to erase any chances of a Democrat.  It&#039;s the Dukakis &quot;kiss&quot; of death in broader America (especially in the South).



The freshly annointed Massachusetts Liberal and long time Washington political insider may be the party darling today, but then, who invites the last Liberal Darling of Massacusetts to anything anymore?  



Kerry remains Bush&#039;s dream opponent, destined to give Bush 4 more years and a &quot;real&quot; mandate from the electorate to attack balanced fiscal restraint, public education,and desolate the ranks of the Democratic party in a way that will break it&#039;s back.  Personally, it&#039;s my belief that Kerry is the key to the ascendance of a new conservative era and the beginning of the end of the Democrats once and for all.  



Welcome to the One Party State, Comrades!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I don&#8217;t understand how Kerry can be a viewed as a real candidate, when he&#8217;s simply &#8220;recycled&#8221; himself entirely to fit politically as &#8220;Bush Lite&#8221; and &#8220;Dean Lite&#8221;.  Here&#8217;s a guy who voted 95% of the time for President Bush (some Republicans voted less frequently with the President), yet managed to found his heart and soul through the inspiration of Gov. Dean (I think he was attending Dean rallys back when he&#8217;d disappeared from the map in September and October).  Say what you will about Dean, this is a Dean agenda he&#8217;s pushing. Love Dean or hate him, he gets credit as the one who &#8220;energized the base&#8221; and tapped new Democrats to bring them out of the woodwork and into the polls to get involved in the Primary process.  Now that we have Massachusetts Milktoast for a nominee, let&#8217;s hope he can manage to get some of that crowd back out this November to support him at the polls (but I don&#8217;t see it happening).  </p>
<p>The primarys have proven that Kerry is no Political genius.  He&#8217;s proven that people are stupid enough to support someone who can&#8217;t demonstrate his beliefs from his voting record, and that he has demonstrated courage on the battlefield but cowardice on the Senate floor.  Now he has the weighty job to try and convince the American public that yet another lying lawyer-politician deserves their confidence to fix a Washington establishment he&#8217;s thrived in for nearly 20 years.  Hardly inspiring stuff for a candidacy, but I suppose Democrats weren&#8217;t warned, were they?</p>
<p>Here in Michigan, when voters were polled after the caucus, found that when voters were asked which candidate&#8217;s positions most resembled their own positions, Dean beat Kerry by 4%.  When Democrats don&#8217;t vote their convictions, the party loses by presenting a candidate forward who is without values.  &#8220;Anyone but Bush&#8221; is no slogan of a vision for America.  Republicans will be out there convicted on their beliefs regarding God, religious involvment in the political process, the hate of taxes and big government, and their hate for two faced politicians who do nothing and reap the benefits of our society.  November is a foregone conclusion because Democrats forgot about the values, and bought in on the &#8220;official DLC agenda&#8221; (in spite of the great failure their strategy caused Democrats in 2002) of &#8220;electability&#8221;, and drummed up media hate toward Dean.  Kerry&#8217;s success isn&#8217;t on issues, or values, or Vietnam era history, but on convincing the media and the public that &#8220;electability&#8221; is an issue more important than supporting a candidate with results or actual heartfelt convictions.  After 19 years of being nothing more than a Senate windbag, I think he&#8217;s got half the chances of Michael Dukakis (who at least DID have results) in 2004 and will end up being painted as Dukakis&#8217; &#8220;boy&#8221; by a giddy Conservative leaning press anxious to erase any chances of a Democrat.  It&#8217;s the Dukakis &#8220;kiss&#8221; of death in broader America (especially in the South).</p>
<p>The freshly annointed Massachusetts Liberal and long time Washington political insider may be the party darling today, but then, who invites the last Liberal Darling of Massacusetts to anything anymore?  </p>
<p>Kerry remains Bush&#8217;s dream opponent, destined to give Bush 4 more years and a &#8220;real&#8221; mandate from the electorate to attack balanced fiscal restraint, public education,and desolate the ranks of the Democratic party in a way that will break it&#8217;s back.  Personally, it&#8217;s my belief that Kerry is the key to the ascendance of a new conservative era and the beginning of the end of the Democrats once and for all.  </p>
<p>Welcome to the One Party State, Comrades!!</p>
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		<title>By: a hater</title>
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		<dc:creator>a hater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets not get carried away here.



It would be great if everyone quit their lives and started organizing unions, but i for one think that each should contribute according to his abilities. And participating in the blogosphere is a form of political participation that is so vastly better than eating cable media that its not even funny. Sure, they didnt manage to get their favorite candidate over the hill this time, but obviously this is just a trial run.



There are actual reasons kerry is resented and they have not to do with the fact that certain other people like him because he is from their home state. One good reason is the way the nomination fell into his lap. Another reason is the nasty negatives campaigning against other dems. Another reason is that some find his recent leadership in the senate unbecoming of the party&#039;s highest representative.  Most of these feelings will fade in time, as is perfectly natural.



A few months ago there was complaining on this blog that if america chooses to humiliate a grown man like kerry then it deserves to have bush as president. I dont know if the trend started here, but with the demise of clark and dean, analogous sentiments have been heard in those camps as well-- although i must say that the clark camp seems to be uniting to continue the fight for the party, while the deans more frequently threaten to bolt the party.



And now we again hear about how possibly the greatest president of our lives is again enduring our lack of faith and love, although he is the most loved presidential candidate in america. Im not sure what to make of that.



Personally i think clark had the best chance to be the greatest president of our lives, but im not going to cry about it at night, and i also dont see why i should be forced into &#039;admitting&#039; that indeed kerry is at least as good if not better. Its really quite simple - of the people now running for president who can actually win , kerry is the best. i dont think that is an insult.



if this post feels like it has no real thesis, its not entirely non-coincidental :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets not get carried away here.</p>
<p>It would be great if everyone quit their lives and started organizing unions, but i for one think that each should contribute according to his abilities. And participating in the blogosphere is a form of political participation that is so vastly better than eating cable media that its not even funny. Sure, they didnt manage to get their favorite candidate over the hill this time, but obviously this is just a trial run.</p>
<p>There are actual reasons kerry is resented and they have not to do with the fact that certain other people like him because he is from their home state. One good reason is the way the nomination fell into his lap. Another reason is the nasty negatives campaigning against other dems. Another reason is that some find his recent leadership in the senate unbecoming of the party&#8217;s highest representative.  Most of these feelings will fade in time, as is perfectly natural.</p>
<p>A few months ago there was complaining on this blog that if america chooses to humiliate a grown man like kerry then it deserves to have bush as president. I dont know if the trend started here, but with the demise of clark and dean, analogous sentiments have been heard in those camps as well&#8211; although i must say that the clark camp seems to be uniting to continue the fight for the party, while the deans more frequently threaten to bolt the party.</p>
<p>And now we again hear about how possibly the greatest president of our lives is again enduring our lack of faith and love, although he is the most loved presidential candidate in america. Im not sure what to make of that.</p>
<p>Personally i think clark had the best chance to be the greatest president of our lives, but im not going to cry about it at night, and i also dont see why i should be forced into &#8216;admitting&#8217; that indeed kerry is at least as good if not better. Its really quite simple &#8211; of the people now running for president who can actually win , kerry is the best. i dont think that is an insult.</p>
<p>if this post feels like it has no real thesis, its not entirely non-coincidental <img src='http://www.1984produkts.com/donkeyhottie/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: a hater</title>
		<link>http://www.1984produkts.com/donkeyhottie/2004/02/16/visions-of-presidents-dancing/comment-page-1/#comment-1274</link>
		<dc:creator>a hater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dog told me that the point was to be found at the end there - that these other candidates were figments of imagination, kerry is a real candidate and so its not nice to compare him to them. Perhaps it is a &#039;the dead&#039; situation.



Certainly some rabid portions of particularly the dean camp are in fantasy world. I must stand up for my clarkies out there however since they seem to be a good combination of pragmatism and idealism, and that is why they tended to clark to begin with. 



I admit i am amazed and dismayed by the frequency of &#039;kerry is not getting my vote&#039; posts. However i am still not convinced that these people are the ones going to parties, i mean meetups, and thinking thats enough. Dean had plenty of hardcore supporters who put in the manhours because they did believe they could change politics and their dissapointment is understandible. 



There is ultimately no denying that the two most grassroots campaigns failed, while the ultimate media bubble propelled kerry to the top within a matter of two weeks. And that sucks.



The reason people can hang on to their dean-fantasy is precisely because the manner of his demise resonates with the worldview that cause them to support him in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dog told me that the point was to be found at the end there &#8211; that these other candidates were figments of imagination, kerry is a real candidate and so its not nice to compare him to them. Perhaps it is a &#8216;the dead&#8217; situation.</p>
<p>Certainly some rabid portions of particularly the dean camp are in fantasy world. I must stand up for my clarkies out there however since they seem to be a good combination of pragmatism and idealism, and that is why they tended to clark to begin with. </p>
<p>I admit i am amazed and dismayed by the frequency of &#8216;kerry is not getting my vote&#8217; posts. However i am still not convinced that these people are the ones going to parties, i mean meetups, and thinking thats enough. Dean had plenty of hardcore supporters who put in the manhours because they did believe they could change politics and their dissapointment is understandible. </p>
<p>There is ultimately no denying that the two most grassroots campaigns failed, while the ultimate media bubble propelled kerry to the top within a matter of two weeks. And that sucks.</p>
<p>The reason people can hang on to their dean-fantasy is precisely because the manner of his demise resonates with the worldview that cause them to support him in the first place.</p>
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